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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1507 Mr. Kearns. Because of their financial situation, that was permitted in order to get production out. That was what was told me. Mr. AYalsh. I don't know what the reason was. Mr. Keakns. Now, on October 21, after we came back from Warner Bros., you will recall ]\Ir. Maurice Hutcheson was there, because Mr. William Hutcheson was in tlie hospital at San Francisco. You made the statement to me then that you were willing to go along, would be very fair in the matter, and made the statement not only before me. but the internationals represented there, that you had no objec- tion to hiring carpenters, even on the sets, when there was carpentry work to be done, if there wUs need for carpentry; that you w^ould give them the opportunity to do that work; isn't that correct? Mr. Walsh. In the course of our conversation, when we were try- ing to see if we could not arrive at an adjustment of the Hollywood situation, after I went upstairs with Maurice Hutcheson and came down. I said I had offered just a little bit to them; that in case we needed carpenters on this work we would call his organization and ask them to give us the carpenters. I was leaning back a little further in order to try to get an adjustment of it. Mr. Kearns. The point I wanted to bring out was that your union members had no objection to working alongside the carpenters for production, if their services were needed? Mr. Walsh. We have never objected to working alongside of car- penters. We work with them today. I think they work in the inde- pendent studios in some places. Mr. Kearns, That is right; but I am talking about the major studios. ]\lr. Walsh. As far as working with the carpenters, it is not a crime to work with them. We work with them. The only crime is I don't know whether they want to work with us or not. If I can go along with the testimony here, the carpenter wants to do all carpentry workâperiod. I have listened to them very closely in the last day or so. ]Mr. Kearns. Do you have any other witnesses you want to put on for the lATSE, Mr. Walsh? Mr. Walsh. After you get through, the Judge has some statement he wants to make. You said you would give him a chance to make it. That is the only witness I have to put on. I would not say I am putting him on as a witness, but I would like to have him make whatever statement he has. Mr. Kearns. As announced yesterday that we were going to adjourn this meeting early today. Judge Levy, we will let you make those statements tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock. Mr. McCann. Just a moment, I have two questions that have been submitted to me. Mr. Kearns. All right. Mr. McCann. Are lA men now doing the carpentry work pre- viously done before September 23, 1946, by carpenters? This question is by ]\Ir. Cobb. Mr. Walsh. I would have to know what work it is. T can't answer- that. I don't know the work, and if I did, I would answer it. Mr. McCann. If so, are they working under contract or under an open shop ?