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1570 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
Mr. Casey. You will have to do something, or try to do something, won't you ?
Mr. Owens. Well
Mr. Casey. I am not talking about this one case, but any case of this kind. If the parties do not get together and try to settle it in their own home, they you have to step in the door, don't you ?
Mr. Owens. Well, we made provisions in certain instances where they had as much as 60 days, and even as much as 90 days.
Mr. Casey. But, Mr. Owens, the work has stopped.
Mr. Owens. No, that is without the work being stopped. We have provisions in the bill where it can go from 60 to 90 days without the work being stopped.
Mr. Casey. I don't think so.
Mr. Landis. He is talking about the health and safety section.
Mr. Owens. Yes, but depending upon how serious the situation is, that is, if it affects the health and safety of the Nation.
Mr. Casey. That is right. As I am trying to explain to you — it was brought out here that I had written a letter to Hutcheson of some kind telling him I was not going to pay his men if they stopped, and I issued that order not to pay them if they stopped.
Mr. Owens. Now you are going into things that are purely economic and concern money. Where it concerned money, we felt the action for damages should be enough to cover the parties from taking steps which would harm each other.
Maybe if we restrain those parties from filing suits for damages which have to be paid, we will see some changes.
Mr. Casey. You might.
Mr. Landis. A strike where the employer and the labor union is involved, is a different strike from two labor unions where the employer has nothing to do with it.
Mr. Casey. That is right, you are in the middle.
Mr. Landis. In other words, we would like to keep the Government out of it. It is in too many things now, but if they take sides
Mr. Casey. You ought to have some redress somewhere.
Mr. Landis. No question about it.
Mr. Kearns. Mr. Casey, you are not an advocate of compulsory arbitration ?
Mr. Caset. I am not. I am not. These men are over 21 years of age, all of them. My God. all that is needed in any of these things is a little common sense. Now, as to pride, throw it out the window. Who is getting hurt ? The poor devil trying to make a living. That's all.
Mr. Landis. I do* not want you to accuse anybody, but will you give me what information you can on this : Is there anything in this jurisdictional dispute that has been communistic-inspired?
Mr. Casey. I don't think so. My God, I have heard Communist, Communist, Communist. It gets down to where if you do not agree with somebody you are a Communist.
It is true there has been testimony here that back in 1937 when they were fiijhting — it might have been 1937 — but when local 37 was having the fight, that fellow Kibre who was in there, I believe has been proven a Communist. He is now an organizer or head of the fish union down at San Pedro. They have been in trouble. They have been in the Federal court and they have been everywhere.