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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1571
There is no question but so far as our trouble out there is concerned the fellows in those studios are anxious to work and to get that dough Saturday night, I don't think they have anything to do with any communistic affiliations.
Mr. Owens. In other words, you don't believe the leaders of the A. F. of L. were hypnotized by anybody ?
Mr. Casey. No, sir.
I was present at Atlantic City when the CIO was formed and the day they broke away from the American Federation of Labor, so I am talking about something I know of. I was there.
Unfortunately the leaders of the A. F. of L. did not think Lewis was going to go through. All the A. F. of L. fellows are my friends. We have never dealt with anybody else. I told them then, "Look out, boys, you are going to be in a little trouble."
Now up to that time the American Federation of Labor could say to an international, "Now, wait a minute. You are wrong. You will have to do so and so or we will throw you out, take your charter away," or something of that kind.
Now, let's step down the line. The international could say to a local, "You are wrong and if you are wrong we are going to come in and take the charter off your walls," which they did in lots of cases.
In those days a charter from that international on the local's wall was just the same as a doctor, dentist, attorney, or anybody else with a diploma. The minute that charter was taken away from them they had nothing.
Today they come in and say, "Well, Willie Jones, we are going to take the charter away." He says, "All right, take it away."
He walks across the street and says, "I'll join the CIO and take the crowd with me," and vice versa.
They have lost the power to compel anybody to do anything, in my opinion.
Mr. 0^\T:]srs. That is quite a thought.
Mr. KJEARNs. Do you have any further questions, Mr. Owens ?
Mr. 0wt:ns. Oh, yes ; I do.
Mr. Kearns. Are you through with your testimony, Mr, Casey ?
Mr, Casey. Yes ; that is about all I know.
Mr. Owens. You mentioned before the 1926 agreement.
Mr. Casey, Yes, sir.
Mr, Owens. You stated, however, that so far as a written document was concerned, it had no particular meaning; it was just something in the minds of the various parties and you depended upon their integrity as to whether it would be carried out ; is that true?
Mr. Casey. That is correct, sir,
Mr. Owens. Did you feel there was enough in that agreement, for instance such as a constitution, that could be liberally construed from time to time to take care of the technological changes that were occurring so rapidly?
Mr, Casey. There was not anything in that agi'eement, Mr. Owens, covering that situation, but as they were taken we had meetings, got together, and we never had an argument.
Well, something would come along. For instance, they would have certain craft that were not in existence at the time of the original agreement. But as those crafts came along and became part of their organizations we accepted them.