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1578 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
Mr. Landis. I said that Judge Levy, when he was on the stand, said there were no Communists in the carpenters' union, so far as he understood it.
Mr. HuTCHESON". I may be wrong — and if I am I would be glad to be corrected — ^but I understood tlie inference was in his remarks that I, as general president of the brotherhood, was collaborating to some extent at least with the Communists in order to get control of the studios in California. That is why I just made the statement and I want to make it clear that all we desire in the studios is work that rightfully belongs to our carpenters. We do not want to control the studios in Hollywood by any means. We only want the carpenter Mork that is done therein.
Mr. Owens. Mr. Hutcheson, inasmuch as you may be gone from here when this testimony is resumed by Mr. Levy, I am going to try to anticipate from some of the general charges that were made and ask you questions.
He is making the charge that Mr. Sorrell is a Comnuniist. He has made that statement, and that there has been an unholy alliance between his group and the carpenters. That is virtually what he said and what you just mentioned.
Did you have any knowledge of the fact that Mr. Sorrell was or could have been affiliated with the Communist Party in any way ?
Mr. Hutcheson. I have no knowledge of that. I have told Mr. Sorrell to his face that if he were a "Commie" I didn't want to have anything to do with him.
Mr. Owens. Well, you certainly had knowledge of all these various statements made in the papers read here showing that he participated in meetings of all these various groups, or he was a very busy man. Judging from what has been said about him he must have been everywhere at the same time.
Mr. Kearns. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Owens. Yes; of course.
Mr. Kearns. Mr. Sorrell has not had any opportunity to defend that yet. That is just a charge.
Mr. 0"\vens. Oh, there is no question about it. When I am asking these questions I am not charging anyone. I am just trying to anticipate because you have been placed back on the stand and I understand you want to get away.
Mr. Hutcheson. Congressman, might I ask you this : Do you believe everything you read in the papers ?
Mr. Owens. It would be too bad if I did, because I have read some things about myself sometimes I knew were not true.
Mr. Hutcheson. Yes ; that's true.
Mr. Owens. That might happen occasionally; but, for instance, when you see one charge after the other saying a man is a member of this group, he is shown to be a member and he does not disclaim he is a member of a certain organization, and then he joins another group which is known as a pro-Communist group — I am not making these charges, I am only going into the things Mr. Levy said, because Mr. Levy is ooing to be responsible, with his group, for the charges that were made. We made that clear yesterday.
We have assumed he is going to put in definite proof rather than general charges because we do not like general charges.