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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1581
Mr. HuTCHESOisr. We take care of them by still defending our position and oui work. That is how we try to take care of them. We could take care of it, and walk out.
In the Hollywood situation, as was testified to by Mr. Casey, we have members who have grown up in that industry, who have worked there as carpenters for 25 years. Should we say to the lA, "All right, take those jobs and our men will have to go elsewhere to find work"?
Mr. Owp:ns. Mr. Hutcheson
Mr. HuTCHESox. Will you please tell me your opinion on that?
Mr. Owens. This is j^our own organization, your own group of people. You can set up the rides in your own organization which will take care of that once and for all — as you did in this case where you set up the arbitrators, gave them the right to make a fnial decision, and then refused to abide by the final decision.
I have no question but what my mind has been made up on that point.
Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. Congressman, I think I made it clear in presenting the evidence I did that we did not accept the findings because they were made on ex parte evidence.
Mr. Owens. But it is your own organization. We are still back to the same point ; your own A. F. of L.
Mr. HuTCHESON. My own organization is only the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America.
Mr. Owens. Except that you were the ranking member of the A. F. of L. also.
Mr. Hutcheson. What does that mean ?
Mr. Owens. Well, just like Mr. Landis is ranking member of the Labor Committee in the absence of the chairman, he is the chairman. That places you in control many times, you and Mr. Green and the other vice presidents — well, maybe we better leave that word out.
Mr. Kearns, Maybe Mr. Green was never absent.
Mr. HuTCiiESON. Mr. Chairman, let me try to make it clear to the Congressman. Those of us who constitute the Executive council of the American Federation of Labor have no ranking. We are not in the position of Congressmen who can get in the place of being just a step above somebody else. That does not prevail in the council of the American Federation of Labor.
]\Ir. Owens. Why do they call you the first vice president ?
Mr. Hutciieson. I am not. I am just councilman now, a council member, because of the Taft-Hartley law. They took the designation of vice president away from me. They demoted me.
ISIr. Kearns. You lost your jurisdiction?
]Mr. Oavens. When these troubles were occurring in 1945 you were the first vice president, were you not?
Mr. Hutciieson. Right.
Mr. Owens. So if the president were not there you would be in charge.
Now, just what has your group done in your own organization to end these jurisdictional disputes?
Mr. Hutcheson. Now, Mr. Congressman, I will go back to when we wpre vice pvesid'^nts. It merely meant there were to be LS vice presidents elected. The first one nominated would be designated as first vice president. It just happened that I was nominated first.
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