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1582 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
That did not mean I was any better than the man who was nominated thirteenth and became thirteenth vice president. It did not mean I had anything more to say in the council than he. I was just one of the 13.
Mr. Owens. But you are still in there. Is the thirteenth man in there?
Mr. HuTCHEsoN. What did you say ?
Mr. Owens. I say you are still in the organization. Is the thirteenth man still in there?
Mr. HuTcHEsoN. The thirteenth councilman.
Mr. Owens. I meant the thirteenth vice president; is he still a member of your organization ?
Mr. HuTCHESON. Of our organization ?
Mr. Owens. Yes.
Mr. Hutcheson. No, and never was. I didn't get that point.
Mr. Congressman, I would be glad to answer that and not be sarcastic about it. I do not intend to be sarcastic.
I understood you to ask me was the thirteenth councilman or thirteenth vice president a member of our organization, and I said "No."
Mr. Owens. I mean the A. F. of L. What office did Mr. Lewis occupy ?
Mr. Hutcheson. He was elected thirteenth vice president when he went in there, but he was eleventh when he got out.
Mr. Kearns. He went up in the world ; is that right?
Mr. Hutcheson. That is right.
Mr. Landis. The point I want to make clear was that there is a difference between a strike between an employer and a union, and a strike between two unions where the employer is not involved. I understood you were willing to try to help work out something to stop these disputes and strikes between unions.
ISIr. Hutcheson, That is right, and always has been.
Mr. Owens. Sure, he is willing, but what are you doing to stop it? That is my question, Mr. Hutcheson. What are you gomg to do to stop it?
Mr. Hutcheson. So far, Mr. Congressman, we have defended ourselves. You can look through the records of the Federation, and for 25 years if you can find a resolution in there introduced by the Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America I will eat it with my breakfast any morning you present it. We just try to go along with the other groups. All we have been doing is defending ourselves. Now, let me say this to you : Oftimes architects have been much to blame for jurisdictional controversies because of them putting in specifications of buildings that certain things would come under certain headings of the specifications.
Now, as illustration — and I do not want to bore you too much — some years ago architects would invariably put in their specifications, bathroom equipment in the plumbing specifications.
Now, since time immemorial, the carpenter in trimming out the building or in preparing the building for trim, would trim out a place for a medicine cabinet to be set in the inset in the wall. In those days medicine cabinets were all made of wood. Along comes an advanced method of doing things, and they bring out metal medicine cabinets.
Now, the method of inserting or setting a metal medicine cabinet is exactly the same as for wood.