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2220 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
penters ; there was not any drastic action taken against the lA upon their threats to stop all work in the studios, exchanges, and theaters.
Mr. Landis. But weren't the carpenters working^
Mr. Cobb. The carpenters were working, but — and bear in mind that from the December decision of 1945, right down on through the carpenters were not working in acceptance of the erroneous construction on the December decision, but were working pending the clarification of it, striving all the while for the clarification, and working in the goodness of their hearts not to injure the production companies.
I want to call your attention to something of the most striking significance in this meeting of August 22 :
Discussed new A. F. of L. directive as to its effect ou existing conditions and what it may lead to.
Who discussed it? The I A and the companies discussed it; a meeting of minds between the I A and the companies in the absence of the carpenters.
Now, let us turn to another meeting.
Mr. Landis. Well, wouldn't that be possible? What is wrong, with talking to a union that is working for j^ou ?
Mr. Cobb. I do not think there is anything in the world wrong for an employer to talk to any employee, as long as there is no wrong done in the talk. But where two men foregather and talk innocently, that is all right, but the minute they agree among themselves to do an injury to a third person, that becomes a conspiracy.
Now, let us turn to the meeting of September 3. That was a full week before the Cambiano letter. At that meeting the various members of the companies were present. Mr. Cooper, Mr. Brewer, and Mr. Walsh are shown as having been present.
Mr. KJEARNS. That is not Mr. Richard Walsh, is it ? I think that is Mr. Walsh of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer.
Mr. Cobb. Let us let it stand that it was Mr. William Walsh.
Mr. Cooper and Mr. Brewer of the lA were present. The Walsh mentioned appears in the minutes immediately below their names.
However, here the lA was represented in communion with them and here is the most significant language :
Also wire Eric Johnston "Still can't understand the directive or its interpretation."
Now, here were the companies in solemn meeting agreeing to wire Eric Johnston that "We can't understand that December decision or the August 16th clarification."
Is this a directive to compel us to abide, or what shall we do? Both carpenters and Walsh have given us opposite instructions.
Mr. Landis. That puts them in the middle ?
Mr. Cobb. Ah, that is the least part, Mr. Landis, that is the least part, "as we are between "
Mr. Landis. Not to the employer, it isn't.
Mr. Cobb. "As we are between" — except for the fact that they had been foregathering with the lA if they were in the middle they were certainly tilted by their association with the lA.
But the significant thing in their own minutes of the meeting of September 3 is, "as we are between, AFL counsel must tell us what to do."