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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 2221
Is that asking for a clarification?
Mr. IvEARNs. Who said, that ?
Mr, Cobb. The companies in their minutes of September 3. "The AFL counsel must tell us what to do," and that after all the protests about the clarification, "As we are between, AFL counsel must tell us what to do."
If that isn't a question of clarification from the council, what can language mean ?
Mr. McCann. May I interrupt a second, Mr. Cobb ?
Mr. Cobb. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, referring to the minutes furnished to the committee, I find the record shows that representing M-G-M on that occasion were Mr. Mannix and Mr. Walsh. Among the list of those obviously who are union men are shown Cooper, Brewer, and Walsh, so I think Mr. Walsh must have been present.
Mr. Cobb. So both were present. My copy of the minutes show both present.
Mr. Kearns. Yes ; I just wondered for the moment.
Mr. Cobb. I thank you, Mr. Kearns. I would rather falter in all that I say than to have one single inaccuracy in my statement to this committee.
Now, why shouldn't they ask for a clarification? It is no sin or disgrace that the three-man committee decision needed clarification. That is only human.
We have had Pat Casey's testimony that they asked for a clarification in January, and we have their minutes showing they were asking for a clarification in September.
Mr. Landis. The point it seems you are bringing out is : At first I thought you inferred the companies broke their July 1946 contract.
Mr. Cobb. Oh, yes ; I am coming to that.
Mr. Landis. You are saying now the carpenters wanted the clarification, and the lA didn't want the clarification, and that the trouble was over the clarification.
Mr. Cobb. You misunderstood me. I said the companies wanted the clarification.
Mr. Landis. Now, you said the carpenters wanted a clarification.
Mr. Cobb. The carpenters wanted a correct interpretation of the December decision which gave them their historic division of work, which was procured in the clarification.
Mr. Landis. That is what the carpenters wanted ?
Mr. Cobb. Yes, sir.
Mr. Landis. Then after the clarification was made, the lA didn't want it ?
Mr. Cobb. The I A said, "We've got a hold of your jobs that you had historically" — I am not speaking literally.
Mr. Landis. Who macle these statements that the company wanted the A. F. of L. to make the clarification ?
Mr. Cobb. It is in the minutes, but it does not credit it to any individual.
Mr. Landis. No one person said it ?
Mr. Cobb. That is the general discussion of the companies.
Mr. Kearns. There was much testimony given there that the companies had gone ahead and followed out the directive, that it was not
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