Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

2244 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES as to Mr. Isserman and his connections, you might look into the files of the Un-American Activities Committee. Mr. Pestano was with Mr. Isserman. Isserman had been retained especially for this case in a previous argument on the election which had occurred back in April of that year in which I participated. Mr. Pestano argued at that time the issue of strikers and replacements was not involved in the earlier case. The only issue involved in the earlier case was what kind of a unit the set dressers should be permitted to vote in and pursuant to that the Board ordered the election. So at the September 28 oral argument was Mr. Isserman and Mr. Pestano for the Painters ; as I said. Judge Levy, and I am not certain for the moment whether Mr. Luddy, of California, was with him or not, I don't recall that. Mr. Herbert Thatcher, who was an associate of Joseph Padway, represented the American Federation of Labor — rather, he was then representing the International Brotherhood of Painters. Isserman was representing local 1421, Sorrell's particular union. On behalf of the producers were Homer Mitchell — you will remember him. Congressman Kearns, as counsel for the Producers Association on the coast — Mr. Al Wright and myself. We appeared in the room at 10 o'clock in the morning for the argument on this case, in the regular Board room where arguments are heard. We were then advised, all of us, that the Board wanted to see us upstairs. We were taken up to Chairman Herzog's own office and with Chairman Herzog at the time was Mr. Huston and Mr. Reilly. Now, I believe, though I am not certain, that the National Labor Relations Board kept a stenographic transcript of the discussion that took place at that meeting. If you have any questions about it, I would suggest that you might inquire for it. My recollection is that they did take a stenographic^transcript. This is what occurred Mr. McCann. Mav I have that date, and I will inquire ? Mr. ZoRx. September 28, 1945. Mr. McCann. On the Columbia Pictures case ? Mr. ZoRN. Columbia Pictures Corp., et al. Mr. McCann. Would you like for us to inquire to see if they took stenographic notes of that hearing? Mr. ZoRN. I think in the interest of accuracy, if they have them they would be helpful to the committee. Mr. Kearns. Well, when Mr. Denham is notified of the charges made against him, which I will do by letter, he probably can submit something to that effect, or his statement will probably clear that up. Mr. ZoRN. The only reason I suggest it, and I don't know whether they have them, is that my recollection is pretty clear about it, and I got pretty mad at that time as to what had happened. But if there is any quesion about the accuracy or the detail of the testimony that did occur in 1945. I would like to have you have the complete transcript, if there is such, but that is entirely a matter for the committee. Mr. Herzog opened the discussion by saying he was Chairman of the Board. He said : This is a very unusual procedure, gentlemen, and we have called you in because' this is an important case. It has received wide publicity and there are certain delicate matters here that we want to put right on the table and be completely frank with all of you.