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2388 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
Now, you say that you have seen that card ?
Mr. Robinson. It seemed to me that the card was actually a folded card.
Mr. Owens. He didn't say he saw that, he said he saw a folded card.
Mr. Robinson. Yes; as 1 recollect it.
Mr. Keakns. Did you ever see another Communist card?
Mr. Robinson. I don't believe so. He had his billfold out there and was showing me the card. Well, hell, 1 just took it, I glanced at it and said ,"Well, hell, this isn't your name." He laughed about it and said, "Oh, hell, I don't use my own name: we don't use our own names in case the records are stolen or something."'
Mr. Kearns. Have you seen the cards other so-called Communists have carried?
Mr. Robinson. Oh, yes.
Mr. Kearns. Do you identify that, then, as a control card?
Mr. Robinson. I would say that that is a Communist control card ; yes.
Mr. McCann. Have you ever seen any other card like that in your lifetime ?
Mr. Robinson. Well, we had a lot of cards. They have had more different types of cards. When I was on the water front we raided their headquarters one time down in San Pedro and Ave got a lot of stuff out of there. They had quite a number of different types of identification cards, and so forth.
Mr. Owens. What further conversation did you have with him at that time?
Mr. Robinson. Well, that was the general run of it. We argued back and forth. Of course, I didn't state just how much opposed I was. Once I found out he was a member of the Communist Party that immediately put me on my guard. I knew what I was goiug to have to contend with then, because I had already put him in a jiosition or got him in a position where he was really in the saddle and not knowing that he was a member of the Communist Party at the time, then finding out that he was, I thought, well, I better find out whether he has the Commies all lined up in this deal.
Mr. Kearns. In what way did he try to convert you, then?
Mr. Robinson. Well, he tried to sell me on the idea of what a wonderful thing communism was, and I let him proceed with it. I offered very serious arguments against it. Inasmuch as he didn't know what my background was, I thought, well, let him go ahead and sell me. ]Mr. Kearns. How was his salesmanship?
Mr. Robinson. Very poor. That is, his salesmanship to me as an officer, he didn't put it very well. I went along with him because I figured it was the better policy to do it, as I wanted to find out as niuch as I could about how strong he was. The Communists were pretty strong in Hollywood, but I didn't know how strong. I later found out.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, I would like to show him a card
marked No. 00022, and on the back of it for identification it is marked
"Exhibit 2, March 4, 1948." I will ask you if you ever saw that card.
Mr. Robinson. By God, I believe he had that in his — well, I won't
swear to having seen that card ; no.
Mr. McCann. You won't swear to having seen that card ? Mr. Robinson. No ; that card.