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JUVENILE DELINQUENCY 25 Chairman Kefauver. Reverend Lindquist, yon work in yonr nei<i:li- borhood regardless of what their religion may be? Mr. LiXDQinsT. It doesn't matter what religion or what color or M'hat race. We have within the contines of onr chnrch Negroes, Koreans, Japanese, Spanish speaking people, and Chinese. So the great majority, by the very nature of our background as a church, are the type of person that we have in this city, the American folk who come out and settled in this ]:>art of the country. Chairman Kefauver. How do you finance the staff for these clubs? Mr. LixDQUisT. AVell, we put it right into our church budget. I Mas figuring up today that in actual cash outlay we put about $26,000 n year. This doesn't seem very much, but for a church that's quite a bit; because it comes right out of the voluntary giving of the people. We don't have any type of underwriting for it. We have no great group to give us large amounts of money. But, in addition to that amount of casli that we ]:)ut out, we probably have another twenty-five, thirty, or forty thousand dollars in terms of service. Chairman Kefauver. You mean volunteer service ? Mr. LixDQUiST. Volunteer services of all kinds. Chairman Kefauv-er. Yon mean volunteer service ? Mr. LixDQuiST. Volunteer service of all kinds. Chairman Kefauv'er. And that is important, isn't it ? Mr. Lindquist. Well, w^e find that that is very good for the person servicing, and it is very splendid for the people who are served. Chairman Kefauv'er. Reverend Lindquist, we have been told, and I think it is true—that in the past, that particularly one of the short- comings of the church as far as juvenile delinquency was concerned that there has been too much reliance just upon the sermon, however good it may be, and Sunday school, however good that may be, and may be some Bible meeting once a week; and an absence of setting up these functions which children can take an interest and join in to bring them into the religious life. Do you think that is true ? jNIr. Lindquist. I think you are absolutely right. Senator, we are trying to get these boys and girls—the girls don't give us the same problem in this area that they used to give us in the East—we are trying to get them expressing their own personality style. Therefore we have all kinds of trips away to the mountains, out to the shore, horseback trips, and like activities in addition to our athletic con- tests and that kind of work. I find that it doesn't take very long— and there is no pressure in that regard—before a boy begins to ask, "What is the angle in this ? Why are you interested in me ? Nobody has ever taken any interest in me before. Here you have just come out of the blue?" In fact, we have some boys up at the church this afternoon from a high school club that is notorious. Two former members of that high school club are in San Quentin right now. AYe have given those boys gymnasium space. Chairman Kefauver. You mean the high school gang ? Mr. Lindquist. High school club. It is an organized club. Chairman Kefaus'er. Yes. ]\rr. Lindquist. And, of course, one thing to do in the high school— and the people there know it—would be to suppress it, but then they will go underground. But this particular club has been given space at the cliurch for their basketball activities and for skating and out