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30 JUVENILE DELINQUENCY themselves. And if they are given a chance at some type of a program that they can themselves work out, sometimes they come up with very good ideas and very good solutions. I guess maybe I am giving a little different testimony. I don't feel that it has been too long since I have been in that teen-age stage, and I have been close to them, and I have enjoyed my work very much in connection with the recreation for young people. Chairman Kefauver. Mrs. Wyman, don't you feel that among our people generally there is more interest in activities along the lines you are talking about than there has been in the past years ? Mrs. Wyman. Yes, I feel that there is a great deal of improvement, and I think that we are beginning to become aware that this is some- what of a problem that we do have to cope with. I certainly hope that the young person does not get into a penal institution such as was rather prominently displayed—I think it was in Mississippi—where 15-year-olds were incarcerated with hardened criminals away up in years. Chairman Kefauver. Well, that happens in a lot of i^laces in the United States. Mrs. Wyman. That's true. I think we can be very proud of what is going on in California with our youth authority and our juvenile hall. I don't know if the representative of the supervisors spoke of that, but it is an excellent place, our juvenile hall, because this is usually the first step where the youngsters meet officers of the law. And I think our juvenile hall is certainly a step forward, because the children are treated with such kindness that they realize the law is not necessarily something to fear. I think the first contact with the child, especially first-offense children, who are teen-agers when they first come in, is so important, that very first contact with them. ^ And I think that in all areas if they could have something like our juvenile hall, which is a special place where there are only juveniles in there and they are treated with kindness, and learn that you don't have to fear a police officer, that it would be a wonderful thing. Chairman Kefauver. That's very important. Mrs. Wyman, you have a report. May I see it ? Mrs. Wyman. Yes, I have a breakdown in all the various areas of the city by precincts, where the stations are. Chairman Kefaua'er. This is a report showing the number of ar- rests in the various precincts in the city of Los Angeles, is that true? Mrs. Wyman. The section that I was referring to—I was trying to show you the breakdown where the better section is with proper homes and no slum areas. You will see at the bottom of each column the totals there. Chairman Kefauver. Then you have the age and the offense. I think this is a good report. I have seen one of these. May we have this and we will file it as an exhibit ? Mrs. Wyman. Senator, may I return this to you. I borrowed this from the library. I have to return it on my library card. Chairman Kefauver. You tell the library we will get one. Mrs. Wyman. I will get one for you which shows the breakdown and what I am trying to prove with reference to slum areas which I think are very rare. Chairman Kefauver. How many members of the council are there?