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JUVENILE DELINQUENCY 63 program in Avhich we get tlie governors of the States Avorking with the mayors of the capital cities to try to make a model of cooperation of all o"^f the agencies and groups dealing with delinquency in the cap- ital cities; feeling that from the capital cities the information would disseminate to the other cities of the States, and the members of the legislature could come in and they would go back to their connnunities and they would carry the message as to what is being done in the ca]>ital city. Of course, it is a long-range program, just like the town- hall meetings, but I certainly want to connnend Governor Knight on this towidialTmeeting plan, and I suggest, of course, in the townhall meetings in something is decided upon it is followed through and other meetings held to see that the program works. Mr. liKErrENBACii. That is correct. We plan on holding connnittee meetings and meetings throughout the State for the purpose of imple- mentation of the reconnnendations of the statewide meetings next April 1956. Chairman Kefauver. You say that 200 cities or towns have already responded favorably ? Mr. Bkeitenbach. That is correct. Senator Kefauver. (liairman Kefauver. How many meeting have been held? Mr. BRErrENBAcir. I couldn't give you the exact number of meetings that have been held, but a number of them have. One of the most suc- cessful developments has been in the city of San Francisco itself. Chairman Ki-^pwuver. And then the forestry camp idea I think is an outstanding program. It has great possibilities. I hope it may be a program in which the Federal Government may be of some assistance by way of aid to the States in getting the forestry camps established and sustained. How many camps do you now have like Twin Pines ? Mr. I^KEiTEXBACii. ^Xe have three camps that are operated by the California Youth Authority, in which we have the complete respon- sibility or, rather, for which Ave have the compete responsibility and control. In addition, Ave have throughout the State a great number of camps Avhich are oAvned and operated by the local probation depart- ment, such as Taa^u Fines operated by the Riverside County Probation Department, to Avhich aa'c giA'e a subsidy in the operation. These would number, I think, possibly 16 or 17. They are developing several vouth camps this summer, and I Avould say tlie exact number is still chang- ing from AA'eek to AA'eek. Chairman Kefauvp:r. Where are the three that are totally main- tained locally ? Mr. Breitexbach. The nearest one is Camp Gold, Avhich, of course, is located in the Sierra Nevada JNIountains near Yosemite National Park. The next nearest Avould be Cam]) Ben Lomond, which is near Santa Cruz on the coastal plain. A third camp is at Pine CiroA-e, AA'hich is about -"Jr) miles from Sacramento. Chairman Kefauver. Hoav many do you ])lan to have after the pro- gram gets under Avay ? Mr. I^reitenbach. I am not certain at this time whether we are con- templating the development of any additional forestry camps OAvned and operately exclusively by the California Youth Authority. That Avill depend entirely upon the increase in the number of commitments to the authority. But so far as the public is concerned, there are at the present time plans underAvay for the development of a camp in