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64 JUVENILE DELINQUENCY Orange County, Santa Clara County, in the northern tier of counties north of Sacramento, and a number of others that are constantly being developed by the communities. As a result of these, the local agencies are able to handle those marginal cases that might otherwise have been committed to the California Youth Authority; leaving to the Cali- fornia Youth Authority those most difficult types of youngsters to re- habilitate. So it is a great saving from the standpoint of finances involved to the State, and is particularly a saving again in that it enables the people engaged in the program to train the youngsters near their own homes where it can be most effective and most con- venient. Chairman Kefauver. How many young people on the average do you have in these three camps that are around the State ? I mean the total number. You don't need to necessarily break it down as to each place. Mr. Breitenbach. At Camp Gold our population as of April 1955 was 106; at Ben Lomond the population was 60; and at Pine Grove the population was 89. This varies, of course, from time to time as releases are made and as new boys are transferred from our various correctional schools. I would say that the average number of boys that are being trained in the cam]:)s owned and operated by the local probation department would be in the neighborhood of between 50 and 60. Chairman Kefauver. And what is the appropriated or budgeted funds for the camps that you have per year ? Mr. Breitenbach. I would have to supply that from our budget. Senator. I could get it for you. It would be readily available. Chairman Kefauver. If you would give us the information about the cost of the organizational set up and other details we will be very glad to have it. Mr. Breitenbach. Do you want the per capita cost and the total cost, Senator ? Cliairman KErATJ\TER. Yes. Mr. Breitenbach. Very well, sir. Chairman Kefauver. Any other questions? Mr. BoBO. No. Chairman Kefau\t^.r. We certainly appreciate your coming and beino: with us, Mr. Breitenbach. Mr. Breitenbach. Thank you, gentlemen. It is certainly a pleas- ure to be here. • 1 J TJ- Mrs. Krug. Senator, has any provision been made for girls ^ It seems as though all of these activities are directed toward the boys. Chairman Kefauver. Well, I think that is a question which is very good, Mrs. Krug. And by the way, Mrs. Milton Krug is chairman of the juvenile delinquency committee of the California Lawyers' Wives Association, is that correct ? Mrs. Krug. Yes. Chairman Kefauver. Where did Mr. Breitenbach go to? I hope he is going to tell me that they don't have any girls to take this re- habilitation course. Mr. Breitenbach. I think that is an excellent question. I cer- tainly agree. . . Answering the question directly as to whether any provision is being made or contemplated for the handling of girls in minimum