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68 JUVENILE DELINQUENCY pie. I think one of our great facts is that we as people haven't been able to convince one another how very important we are. For example, I think that one of the most valuable assets which we have in this country—and I am sure we will all agree—are these kids^ kids like this in every single community in the United States. There are millions of them. And I think if we look at these kids all over the United States and say that they all need to be loved and need to love, that they all need recognition, that they all need status, that they all need to be treated with respect and with dignity, and that every one of them has within himself something to contribute to some other indi- vidual of some other group, that many of the problems which face us in regard to juveniles will be eliminated. Chairman Kefauver. This is a tine picture. Do you want to give it to the committee ? ]VIr. TuTAK. It is the only one I have. Chairman Kefauver. I guess the answer is "No", then. Mr. TuTAK. I think one of the other items that we believe in so thoroughly and try to practice to our own limits is that no matter what an individual makes it has value, whether it is something like this or something like this or this, or a mural, or this, or a mural 8 feet by 10 feet, which on canvas was painted by this boy over a period of 13 months. This mural and this drawing have exactly the same value. This is no worse or no better than is this mural. This we feel is a very, very important concept in working with people no matter who they are or no matter where they are. For example, if we think of this guy here, who incidentally has been-—there have been many of them like him who have been called a pacheco—he is a member of one of our group clubs—he is attending the Southern California Youth Association meeting, and he is listen- ing so intently because he has to report back to his club at our agency. We have all kinds of programs there, and these are pictures of them, if you care to look at them. But again I can't leaA^e them Avith you. The program itself, no matter what it is all about, is what is important. And we have had everything from boxing, fencing, tackle football, social group clubs, and arts of every kind. We are open 62 weeks a year, 6 days a week, and the children may come at any time they want to after school. Chairman Kefauver. You mean from anywhere in the city or any race, creed, or color ? Mr. TuTAK. Our membership is limited only on a geographical basis to those children between the ages of 6 and 20 who live in Lincoln Heights or the area served by the Nightingale Junior High and the Abraham Senior High School. The reason we chose this area is this: We found that back in 194:4 and 1945 that practically all the gang fights which occurred in the community during those years—this was the pacheco gang warfare time, as you know—occurred among chil- dren who were going to either one of those two schools or back again, or even on the school grounds themselves. I would like to refer back to a statement made by Mr. Sanders of the probation department. I am going to say it perhaps a little stronger than he did, because I am a worker in a private agency. I think that some of us have a tendency to follow a pattern of work which has outlived its usefulness in a large part. Now Ave have, I