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JUVENILE DELINQUENCY 137 Chairman Kefauver. Mr. Bobo, do you want to ask some ques- tions i Mr, BoBO, Yes, Chairman Kefauver. Let's get down to the main points of Mr, Brown's testimony as soon as possible. We have a biographical sketch about your experience, Mr. Brown. You came from Pittsburgh, Pa.; you have been in the industry a long, long time. All right, Mr. Bobo, Mr, BoBO. Mr. Brown, is your company a member of the Motion Picture Production Code ? Mr. Brown. We are through our distributors, Columbia Pictures Corp. Mr. BoBO. Are your scripts approved, scripts for your movies ap- proved prior to the making of those movies ? Mr. Brown. Yes. Mr. BoBO. Your pictures are mostly westerns? Mr. Brown. At the present time they are; yes, Mr. BoBO. Has there been any change in the western pictures in the last few^ years, that you can speak of, as to more crime or violence or more brutality shown in western pictures ? Mr. Brow^n. I doubt it very much. I don't see any change or haven't seen any change in the western picture, the format, than the first days I made western pictures 35 years ago. Mr. BoBO. Mr. Brown, the other night at Columbia Pictures Studio, I think it was, I saw the picture Ten Wanted Men, and in that picture there were some IT persons killed. Mr, Brown. I doubt it. Mr. BoBO. You know how many were killed ? Mr. Brown. I would say—to my recollection, it has been a little while, but I would say 4 or 5. There are no 17. And every killing there was a reason for. There was a good came out of that killing. We never kill indiscriminately. We never kill just to kill. Any time there is a death in a western picture, you will fiind there is an awful big reason for it. There is a reason, good or bad, something to bring home to the child—and if I may interrupt here just for a moment be- fore I forget it, I have listened all afternoon to what these gentlemen have had to say in the industry and Avhat you gentlemen are seeking I believe is to find out. The thought came to my mind—I suppose to you it is that you want to know what a child carries away after viewing a motion picture. Now, it comes to my mind, what does a child carry away after view- ing a western picture, say, one with taste; you know, the ordinary western picture. I am sure when he gets home he doesn't put on a black mustache and gloves and become the heavy. Kather, he puts on the coon cap and he becomes Davy Crockett. He becomes Bill Hickok. He becomes all that is good, the law-enforcing man. That is what he sees in the western picture; he sees a good iVmericano, like he would like to be; not the death, I think the scenes, if they are violent or not, I think they are very soon forgotten in the mind of that child or the mind of die adult. But they carry away the good Americano. They carry away beauti- ful scenery in many instances, where tliey can't afford to go. They