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JUVENILE DELENQUENCY 231 Mr. LoucKS. I have some amendments, and I have the ways and means. I have charts and compasses that will assist your committee on the one hand, and for an understanding that will help the industry on the other. It will harmonize the whole thino; in accordance with teh United States Constitution construction, and I happen to be a law- yer and retired attorney and student of fraternal law all my life. I'd like to present some of those laws that I have found in the Constitution of the United States, in our Bill of Rights. Chairman Kefauver. Well, now, what is the law that you want to present ? You are Mr. Robert G. L. Loucks, L-o-u-c-k-s. Mr. LoucKS. Yes. Chairman Kefauv^er. I have asked you to explain all of this to one of our counsel, and he didn't think it related to juvenile delinquency. Mr. Loucks. I just gave him a summary. I didn't explain all of it. I didn't get started with your counsel. Chairman Kefattver. Well, if you couldn't explain it to our coun- sel, I don't know how you could here, I mean how we are going to be able to give you time to explain it here. Mr. LoucKs. I'd like to get acquainted with you first to find out the scope of wdiat I am trying to give you. I'm trying to present some constitutional points that will help you on juvenile delinquency and like to present some of those laws that I have found in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights doesn't mean that it is going to interfere with the problem of juvenile delinquency or the solution of it. It is a solution to the problem of building character and manhood under the Constitution. It's a process, a ways and means that will help you. It will help the United States Supreme Court in getting these ways and means and the procedure started, and to give us more light and enlightment. Chairman Kefauver. Well, I'll tell you, Mr. Loucks, ordinarily I have our counsel or associates talk with witnesses who want to present some viewpoint, but you are so sincere and you have been so patient, after we adjourn this afternoon you go with me back to a little office, and I'll look over what you have got to present. Mr. Loucks. I have been wanting to meet you, Senator, for a long time. Chairman Kefauver. All right, sir. Mr. Loucks. But I'd like to get it in the record. I want a petition to the United States Congress in the three departments, I want to make a motion in accordance with a recent decision in the United States Supreme Court in the Negro segregation cases presenting these problems back to local government and recognizing them as impor- tant, because that is the place of the origin, the place where the trouble started, where the trouble is. It is right here, and they say that the United States district court has prescribed rules and regula- tions and procedures to carry out the instruction, instead of having all of these run arounds, and these meetings; let the Congress of the United States, the three departments jointly and severally do it. I'll give you this to start with: They are obligated to uphold and j^iotect the Constitution of the United States. All right, let those three de- partments get together jointly and severally and adopt the rules and regulations and the procedures.